No I didn't change anything, I did try and try older firmware which didn't work, but when I updated the current firmware back the analog was working, which is a major breakthrough. However the axis' are reversed so up and down is left and right and vice versa. I tried it with the on board profile on and off, profile one is set to keyboard and profile two is set to analog stick, I tried it with the wasd setting on and off both ways, and the analog works but again the axis' are still reversed? I don't get it, I recalibrate the stick a few times, I checked the xim settings and that looks fine, and the older compact from last year works perfect. I'm sorry to keep bugging you, and I am very grateful for your help, do you have any other ideas to try?